Very Pernicious

(HT Albino Hayford)  Maybe this will help explain my advice for Frank Valenti that seems to have confused so many.


Others, not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word, and may have some common operations of the Spirit, yet they never truly come unto Christ, and therefore cannot be saved: much less can men, not professing the Christian religion, be saved in any other way whatsoever, be they never so diligent to frame their lives according to the light of nature, and the laws of that religion they do profess. And to assert and maintain that they may, is very pernicious, and to be detested.

Sez Tony Campolo:

I am saying that there is no salvation apart from Jesus; that’s my evangelical mindset. However, I am not convinced that Jesus only lives in Christians.


Jesus is the only Savior, but not everybody who is being saved by Him is aware that He is the one who is doing the saving.


What I am trying to say is that Jesus who incarnated God 2,000 years ago is mystically present and waiting to be discovered in EVERY person you and I encounter…I do not mean that others represent Jesus for us. I mean that Jesus actually is present in each other person.


going to heaven is like going to Philadelphia….There are many ways….It doesn’t make any difference how we go there. We all end up in the same place.

Now that’s “very pernicious, and to be detested”!

In contrast, sez WCF X.IV:

Others, not elected, although they may be called by the ministry of the Word, and may have some common operations of the Spirit, yet they never truly come unto Christ, and therefore cannot be saved.

Sez Frank Valenti:

The elect are those who are faithful in Christ Jesus. If they later reject the Savior, they are no longer elect — they are cut off from the Elect One and thus, lose their elect standing. But their falling away doesn’t negate the reality of their standing prior to their apostasy. They were really and truly the elect of God because of their relationship with Christ. — Steve Wilkins, Federal Vision, p. 58

That’s not “very pernicious, and to be detested” — according to the definition set forth in WCF X.IV.  Hence I am jokingly advising Frank Valenti to protest “I’m not very pernicious!  Stop detesting me!”

10 Responses

  1. Boy, it seems that SW needs to understand that elect doesn’t mean upright. I think he’s confused it with erect.

  2. Sounds like a dysfunction. Maybe he should read our discussion about ED

  3. Campolo is a great speaker, which makes his statements even scarier. Ugh. He was also tight with Bill Clinton during his presidency.

  4. I guess it just goes to show you, it’s not about how well a preacher can persuade, entertain, cajole, wheedle, and perform. Speaking of great speakers, Bill Clinton is a great speaker. Jesse Jackson is a great speaker. Adolf Hitler was a great speaker. Charles Finney was a great speaker. John Wesley was a great speaker. John Knox was a great speaker. Billy Graham is a great speaker. Jim Ost is a great speaker. Tony Robbins is a great speaker. Al Franken, Jon Stewart, and Rush Limbaugh are all great speakers. Ronald Reagan was the great communicator.

    Being a great speaker actually carries with it a great risk. Being a great speaker helps, but critically more important than how something is said, is the correctness of what is said.

    Which is why I can vote for George W. Bush, who is not even a good speaker.

  5. Rube, the only objection I can raise to your last post is that not everyone will click on “great risk” and so won’t read the verse behind it, and not everyone who reads it will quite catch your drift. But I wholeheartedly “amen” your post, and beg for an expansion.

  6. Why don’t you call it Fernando Valenzuela instead?

  7. That’s a good one, but maybe not silly enough. Frank Valenti popped into my head because of the character Hector P. Valenti, star of stage and screen, character from classic children’s book Lyle, Lyle, Crocodile. Too late to change now!

  8. Isn’t Frank Valenti also the cowpoke in charge of movie ratings or something? It seems I’ve seen him interviewed on Larry King.

  9. My bad…the Hollywood lobbyist was apparently “Jack” Valenti

  10. […] his famous presbytery examination, Steve “not very pernicious” Wilkins maintains that he takes no exception to WCF X.IV, with the following artful dodge: […]

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