H&S: Images of Christ

It’s been a long time, but finally we had another Hoagies & Stogies, on the topic of Images of Christ, with myself and Dr. David Van Drunen of WSCAL.

Here are the .mp3:

Everyone there had a great time. Give the mp3 a download and have a listen!

For further research, you can find some of Dr. van Drunen’s writing on the topic online:

And it’s not online, but you should get to a seminary library so you can read:

Also, there is Danny Hyde’s book In Living Color: Images of Christ and the Means of Grace

Great Commisions Publications (who make, among other things, Sunday School curriculum for the OPC and PCA) set out their policy for the OPC GA.

For the other side, I would first recommend the long article

There is also a position paper by the RPCES, but note that, “in the providence of God, the RPCES never instituted the proposed changes in its edition of the Westminster Confession or Catechisms, due to its reception into the PCA in 1982.” You could also check out John Frame’s Doctrine of God, ch 25-26, especially pp. 484-486.

And for posterity’s sake, here is my outline that I worked from.


And of course, look out for the great events that Mike announced; check the Hess Brewing website or their Facebook page for more details:

  • Thu Jun 16: Free Tri-tip Thursday
  • Fri Jun 24: F. A. C. (Friday Afternoon Club) with live music, and discounts if you bring your Hess glassware.
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8 Responses

  1. […] H&S: Images of Christ […]

  2. […] Here’s a debate my long-time friend Ruben Settegren (actually, it’s Dr. Ruben Settegren (PhD Rutgers, Mathematics), but he does’t like to toot his own horn, toot toot) had with David VanDrunen (another Dr.) on images of Christ. Ruben, despite being a hard-core confessionalist, took the position that it images of Christ are not necessarily a violation of the second commandment. I thought he did very well. […]

  3. I missed this session, but I enjoyed listening to the recording. Nice job on both sides, thank you for putting together this debate.

    Along the lines of the discussion of “The Passion of the Christ,”, I would have liked to ask Drs. Van Drunen and Settergren to weigh in on something like the “Jesus” film produced by Campus Crusade for Christ. I know Reuben does not have a problem with a depiction of Christ, per se, in a film.

    I came to Christ back in my college days and prayed along with the sinner’s prayer at the end of the Jesus film at a Campus Crusade retreat. The film is touted as one of the greatest evangelistic tools of all time, and according to their website, “Since 1979 the ‘JESUS’ film has been viewed by several billon people all across the globe, and has resulted in more than 200 million men, women and children indicating decisions to follow Jesus.”

    I have since become more Reformed in my theology and do not espouse much of the Campus Crusade approach (Four Spiritual Laws, etc.) but am thankful for how God used that group in my life at that turbulent time. I recognize that not all “decisions” necessarily indicate true conversions or disciples. However, to ask Dr. Van Drunen a loaded question, can God in his grace and sovereignty be pleased to use a film with an actor portraying God’s Son in his humanity? Is such a portrayal displeasing to God even though the word is communicated? Should we rejoice in the reports of people coming to Christ through the film? Should efforts like this even be supported and encouraged?

  4. […] H&S: Images of Christ Posted on June 13, 2011 by RubeRad […]

  5. […] H&S: Images of Christ Posted on June 13, 2011 by RubeRad […]

  6. […] also related H&S on Images, Communion, and […]

  7. […] of the twentieth century.” I’m no art critic, but I was not particularly impressed. I have no problem with images of Christ (outside the sanctuary), and these were certainly not Kincade-cheesy, but I didn’t get an impression of awe-inspiring […]

  8. […] up this actually being Calvin’s documented position. If there are any, I wish I knew about them three years ago, they would have come in really […]

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